"The mind of absolute trust is beyond all thought, all striving, is perfectly at peace, for in it there is no yesterday, no today, no tomorrow." Seng Ts'an
[The following is a conversation that took place between Pete Hughes and an acquaintance he met online whose name has been changed to protect his privacy. We found the conversation very amusing and decided to share it. As always on Happy Cow, we wish to make it clear that we in no way endorse one side of the conversation over the other. Thought is always free personal choice and is never 'right' or 'wrong', but simply made up.]
Mr G. Botherer wrote:-
There is no power nor strength except in GOD. GOD is All Knowing All Wise. The Object defines the Subject. The TRUTH is independent of what we want it to be.
We are not stupid existentialists!
That said. Who am I?
The Dream is Illusion! But who is The Dreamer? What is the source of the Dream? What is the Archetype of the Dream? Why do you exist? Why were you born? What is your purpose in Life?
The fact remains, all that that is created will perish! The Dream will END! Why worship and enjoy that which is illusion? Illusion, relative, finite, temporary attachment will only cause suffering.
A False Life, A False Death, A False Activity, A False Rest. Passion, insatiability, egoism.... Suffering is all there is for those who choose to be Blind!
Who am I?
That which man seeks is the Uncreated! The Absolute, The Infinite, The Eternal! Only The Uncreated is SUCH!
Who am I?
I am created! I am not GOD! Only GOD is GOD! Only GOD is worthy of Worship! Only GOD is worthy of LOVE! Only GOD is Uncreated.
GOD is the Object! The Object Defines the Subject! What you truly desire, and what will quench your thirst! Is, if the Uncreated is the center of your Heart.
Let Your Mind Sleep! And Let GOD enter your Heart. But why should the created exist? Why did the Uncreated create? Why do I exist?
The Uncreated is Infinite! Being Infinite consists of every single possibility! Even the Possibility of that which is other! That which is other will die! Because it is not GOD! Only GOD is GOD!
Die before you die!
Who am I?
Peace is in GOD and GOD alone! Meditation and Prayer! PEACE!!! There is not god but GOD!
Submission is to GOD and GOD alone! GOD only created you so that you may return. The SELF only desires the SELF!
GOD is Reality, The World is Illusion, The Spirit is non other than GOD.
Submit to one of the world's great religions (Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Daoism, Shintoism and Zorastism), and in it you will find. TRUTH and WAY. Doctrine and Methodology.
There is no Power not Strength except in GOD! here is no god but GOD. GOD is all Knowing all Wise
That which is true is from GOD and GOD alone. That which is false is from me.
PEACE.
Pete Hughes wrote:-
Thank you, GB
I feel no need to invent a God. The Self alone is. All ways always lead all away.
A way is not needed to reach Self. I am that.
Peace, and all other parts of Life too,
Pete
Mr G. Botherer wrote:-
There is no need to invent a GOD. GOD invented you!
hahahaha!
Satan appeared in front of a Sage. The Sage asked Satan "Why did you not prostrate in front of Adam, when all the Angels of the Heaven and Earth, all all creation was told to do so! WHY?"
Satan replied "How can I prostrate to anything other than GOD?"
The Sage replied "If you were truly sincere to The SELF, you would have prostrated! YOU ARE A LIAR!"
All That is true is from The SELF, all that is false is from me (my ego)
If the blind could see light, they would not dream of asking for its proof. But we are not Blind! But we choose to be blind! Infinite possibility gives us that choice. I apply to myself what I have just said as I apply it to you.
The Uncreated is the Principle of Reality.... Are you Uncreated? Die you Will..... and All that is other than GOD!
DEATH!!! DEATH!!! DEATH!!! DIE before you die!!!
All that is true is from GOD and GOD alone, all that is false is from me!
THE SELF and GOD are but the same. TRUTH and WAY. DOCTRINE and METHODOLOGY.
PEACE
Pete Hughes wrote:-
Thank you for your thoughts, GB
You have just invented that God invented me.
You are welcome to think that. Your thoughts are your free choice. All human thought is fiction. It is fun to play with, but has nothing to do with Truth.
Ego is part of Self. Everything is part of Self. God is part of Self (if you bother to invent a god). God is essentially the ego of one created universe.
The Self is beyond this cycle of creation. Containing all the made up gods.
Infinite Possibility is who I am. A world containing a God is just one possibility. Fun to play with that idea for a while, no doubt, but certainly not necessary.
The human body and mind will die. I am perfectly aware of that, but thank you for the reminder.
So what? They are not me.
Putting things in capital letters does not make them any less made up.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, your fiction is very interesting and I hope you are enjoying it.
Pete
Mr G. Botherer wrote:-
HAHAHAHA
I do do enjoy remembering GOD! I do love to to remember GOD! I Love to contemplate the UNCREATED! For in it I find PEACE! I LOVE to contemplate the effacement of the ego. I LOVE to contemplate Loving one's neighbor. I LOVE to contemplate GOD and GOD alone!
These LOVE/Enjoyment leads to action, an action Towards All that is other than my me, GOD and GOD alone, an aspect lies in Eternity because it is in the UNCREATED, it leads to my DEATH, It concerns the present moment with the day of Judgement as its archetype.
Oh how I Love/Enjoy Chatting about GOD! The SELF only desires ITSELF! The ego..... the GREAT invention of GOD! That which is other MUST DIE!!!
DO NOT THANK ME! I MUST THANK YOU! IT WAS A PLEASURE FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT GOD!
With much LOVE, PEACE and BLESSINGS!!! All that is true is from GOD and GOD alone all that is false is from my ego.
PEACE
Pete Hughes wrote:-
As you describe yourself as something separate from God and also something separate from 'all that is other than me' then it is clear that you are not yet aware of your true nature.
The Self alone is. Nothing is other than You.
Genuine surrender leads to the person's death and to God's death as well. Both are human thought fictions. Both are part of the 'created'. The uncreated is who you are. During creation you first invent the 'I' and then you invent the universe. Adding a god into the mix is optional and entirely unnecessary.
Although I hear, like you say, that it can be a lot of fun. Good for you!
From the position of the uncreated, the notions 'true' and 'false' have not yet been created. Neither have the notions 'God' and 'ego'. Everything that you can describe using human language is just a thought creation. The creator is You.
Peace, and all the other aspects of wonderful creation too,
Pete
Mr G. Botherer wrote:-
If "you" are uncreated, why do "you" exist?
Pete Hughes wrote:-
I neither exist nor do not exist.
When creation happens there is existence. When it does not there is no existence. The word 'exist' derives from the Latin 'existere' which means 'to project'.
Self is beyond the cycle of creation and rest, neither existing nor not existing. A possibility field.
Mr G. Botherer wrote:-
HAHAHAHAHA
Says he who exists HAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA
The ego only makes a joke of itself.
Pete Hughes wrote:-
Says he who temporarily exists.
Life is a wonderful joke.
Mr G. Botherer wrote:-
You are the Joke
Pete Hughes wrote:-
Of course I am! Thank you. You appear to be getting it now.
Mr G. Botherer wrote:-
That is why you are not the SUPREME I. Only GOD is I.
Pete Hughes wrote:-
The Self alone is. Neither 'I', nor God.
Mr G. Botherer wrote:-
HAHAHAHA
You are being a joke again.
I guess you have the right to be a JOKE....
GOD gives you that possibility.....
But why choose to be a JOKE?
When one thinks and worships GOD and GOD alone (THE UNCREATED) on is REAL and not a JOKE.
GOD is ALL Knowing ALL Wise.
PEACE
Pete Hughes wrote:-
Why choose?
I am neither, I am both. An Infinite Possibility field.
Rest and play. Play and rest. That is the cycle of creation.
Jokes are fun. Why choose to be a monotonously dull god botherer?
Peace, but all other aspects of wonderful free creation as well.
As I have already mentioned, I do not bother to create a God and so do not have a God to worship.
The notion of 'worship' requires separation and judgement. The notion of separation and judgement takes one immediately away from unconditional Love for all that is.
Mr G. Botherer wrote:-
You are being a JOKE again.
Pete Hughes wrote:-
Thank you, your compliment is appreciated.
Mr G. Botherer wrote:-
It is a complement to those who are not GOD and do not choose to Submit or return to GOD... who chose to be the other.
A False Life, A False Death, A False Activity, A False Rest.
Worldly Passion, Egoism, Insatiability and opening oneself up to the demurge. There is only suffering for you if you choose to be a JOKE. All that is true is from GOD and GOD alone, all that is false is from me.
Pete Hughes wrote:-
You do like that Shift key, hey GB!
It's funny, I feel no suffering whatsoever. Just the joy of free creation. Yes, I am aware that creation can be regarded as 'false' in one sense. What about it? If I create a God, He is false too. At the moment, I am not bothering to do that. I can't see the point of adding extra imaginary characters into this particular tale.
Thank you, you are a source of great amusement.
The Self alone is.
Mr G. Botherer wrote:-
By the way, creation is not a Joke.
Creation only exists so that it may worship and submit to GOD. Creation is a Joke so far as it chooses to deny GOD and His Reality. You only hurt your own SELF by denying GOD and the Hereafter.
All that is true is from GOD and GOD alone all that is false/joke is from me. I (my ego) is not GOD, only GOD is GOD.
Ramana Maharishi asks "Who AM I?" The profoundest of questions. My ego is nothing at ALL only GOD is GOD, only THE SELF is THE SELF.
PEACE! PEACE! PEACE!
Pete Hughes wrote:-
By the way, perhaps! But I am not following a way. I am a unique free creator.
Your creation might exist for that reason, GB. Good for you. Mine does not. I do not create a god.
'Hereafter'!! Now you are getting really imaginative. Good for you. Putting words in capital letters does not make them true.
Peace, and all other aspects of wonderful free creation too.
Mr G. Botherer wrote:-
To you your moral way and to me mine. There is no god but GOD... neither you nor i are GOD. only GOD is GOD.
Those who deny GOD and the HEREAFTER only damn themselves and not THE SELF. PEACE to those who choose GOD over their selves (ego). Such is the nature of things. Peace in GOD, through GOD and by GOD.
GOD is GOD! there is no god but GOD.
All that is true is from GOD and GOD alone, all that is false is from me.
Pete Hughes wrote:-
If that is what you wish to make up, I am happy for you to do so. It does sound like it would be amusing for a while.
The Self alone is.
Mr G. Botherer wrote:-
Thank You for letting me Remember GOD.
Pete Hughes wrote:-
You're welcome, GB. Thank you for letting me share in your creation.
Mr G. Botherer wrote:-
Your are welcome. GOD allows all possibility, even that which is other than HIM. even the possibility of an egocentric opinion that denies HIM.
GOD is GOD there is no god but GOD. All that is true is from GOD and GOD alone, all that is false is from me.
Pete Hughes wrote:-
As I have said already, I did not create a God, but you are welcome to worship the one you have created in whatever way you choose.
The thought notions 'true' and 'false', 'real' and 'not real', 'me' and 'God' have no meaning outside human thought creation.
You are welcome to your free creation. It is very interesting. Thank you for sharing.
"Do not seek the truth, only cease to cherish opinion." Seng Ts'an
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